The Unspeakable Podcast

Gen X Girl Talk With Evolutionary Biologist Heather Heying

July 23, 2020

**Recorded July 15th** 

“I do think on average men are more likely to be more disruptive than necessary and women are more likely to be less disruptive than necessary” — Dr. Heather Heying

Evolutionary biologist Dr. Heather Heying has emerged over the last few years as a free speech advocate, largely because of her connection to a now-infamous set of protests at Evergreen State College, where she and husband, evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein, taught for fifteen years. But less is known about Heather’s own story. In a wide-ranging conversation that covers sex differences, sex discrimination, and what it was like to grow up in the 1970s and 1980s as a girl who felt “invincible,” Heather talks about doing field work in Madagascar, wanting to be a science fiction writer, and why there aren’t more women in the “Intellectual Dark Web.” 

Heather Heying is a scientist, educator, and author. Currently a Visiting Fellow in the James Madison Program at Princeton, she was a professor at The Evergreen State College for 15 years, where she pushed students from their comfort zones, in part through exploring remote sites in the neotropics. She earned her PhD in Biology from the University of Michigan, receiving the university’s top honor for her dissertation, and has a B.A. in Anthropology. Her first book is Antipode (2002), written while she was studying the sex lives of poison frogs in Madagascar. With husband Bret Weinstein, she is now writing A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, which will provide an evolutionary toolkit for living a good and honorable life as an ape in the 21st century. 

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